2012 KIPR Open FAQ

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The 2012 KIPR Open FAQ

This post is the home of the 2010 KIPR Open FAQ. The official rules are here. Updates and rules clarifications will be posted in this thread. If you have questions that you would like addressed, leave them in a comment to this post. Check back for the latest information

1. Can you explain the board setup for KIPR Open. Are the boards on the ground?
Yes, the board is set on the ground.
2. Are there overhead lights?
No. See updated rules.
3. Where can the ping pong balls be placed?
Any where on your side of the fence - meaning anywhere inside the net on your 10' x 10' half of the arena. In the starting boxes, on the robot, on your side, in the wild zone, and so on.
4. If we have a colored part on our robot which is designed NOT to confuse an opponent robot, but instead to allow one of our robots to track another of our robots, is this permitted?
Yes. The rule is not to prevent you from tracking, but to prevent you from creating similar game pieces, or trying to confuse an opponent by simulating any targets. As long as your targets do not look like the targets in the game, you will be fine.
5. Robot construction rule #7 states:

"A team’s entry may not contain features (manipulators, protrusions or materials) that are designed to, or are deemed by the judges likely to, cause jamming or entanglement of a reasonably constructed opponent robot. Blocking and containing of opponent robots is allowed; strategies likely to entangle or damage opponents or the board or game pieces are not allowed."

(a) Can you please precisely define "jamming or entanglement" and "blocking and containing", and the difference between them, including examples?
(b) Is dropping a game piece on a robot in an attempt to confuse its navigation system considered "jamming or entanglement"?
(c) We are already aware that reasonably constructed aerial robots (including the AR.Drone) will lock propellers if anything contacts them until the Emergency Reset command is sent. As a consequence, it is not possible to jam or entangle the AR.Drone's propellers. We therefore conclude that if we drop a game piece on an aerial robot in the hopes that its dead-reckoning will become confused, it it not illegal, since the AR.Drone is not being jammed or entangled; it is simply being blocked and contained.

A. Jamming or entanglement is an active effort to restrict movement i.e. with small pieces or string. Blocking and containing are passive i.e. you place your robot in the way of the opposing robot and they run in to you.
B. No, by why waste the scoring piece?
C. This is similar to part A. You are making an active effort to restrict their movement with small pieces, that you know will jam/bind the propeller and cause it to crash causing damage. So, if you do drop game pieces on opposing flying robots, it will be considered jamming or entangling.
6. If we push another team's robot into the vertical projection of their red or blue target, are they disqualified as if they had intentionally driven into it?
Yes.
7. Can you please define "independent structure"? If we have two robots which are connected by a piece of string or a sheet of paper, are they one or two structures?
They are one structure, but it at any point the two robots become disconnected, and you exceed the four structure limit, you are immediately disqualified.
8. As stated in Scoring: General number 9, "Robots that start in the yellow dot target area are allowed to travel anywhere..." Does that mean those robots may drive around in the wild zone and number 8 does not apply to them.
No. The starting box is the 15" x 24" area on the game board, so robots starting there can not venture into the wild zone. Robots that start in the yellow dot box (which is another location to start), can venture any where, including the wild zone, but not into the restricted red and blue dot boxes.
9. The blue dot target area is borded by 2 inch PVC pipes but the 90 degree elbow connectors come in two types - drain or vent connectors. The drain connectors are a sweeping right angle, while the vent connectors are a more acute right angle. The drain connectors cost about $.80 each while the vent connectors cost about $2.50 each. Which ones will be used in the KIPR Open 2012?
It looks like we are using sweeping elbows. I believe that this is the exact piece we are using, if not it is very similar. http://www.lowes.com/pd_23354-1814-PVC%2B00300%2B%2B1200_4294765366_4294937087_?productId=3132777&Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&pl=1&currentURL=/pl_DWV+Pipe+Fittings_4294765366_4294937087_?Ns=p_product_prd_lis_ord_nbr|0||p_product_qty_sales_dollar|1&facetInfo=&stop_mobi=yes
10. What is the floor of the wild zone like? carpet, tile, rough, smooth, light, dark? Is the black tape on the border discernible?
The floor is a smooth grey concrete. I believe that the tape will be discernible, but have not tested it.
11. Starting lights. Which kind, how many, and where?
Each side will be able to place one starting light with in reason. The cord will be taped to the floor, but the base will be positionable as the team wishes (with in reason, as cord length may be limited from the initial placement between the starting locations). The light is an unshielded 60W soft white light bulb. Be careful your robots don't break the bulb and get electrocuted!
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What exactly is it?
I'm sorry if this is a horrible question but I think it may help some people who dont know much about it

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KIPR Open is a KIPR-sponsored robot tournament for college students and anyone else past high school. Its main differences from Botball are the more difficult game arena and that there are no kit restrictions -- whatever parts you can buy and fit into the starting box are legal. The International KIPR Open Tournament is held at GCER.

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Is this where we post questions about the KIPR Open? Couldn't see a post question button just the reply.

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DesertRobotics you reply with your question or answer if you know the answer to someone elses question

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Can you explain the board setup for KIPR Open. Are the boards on the ground? Can the robot in the small board travel to the other small board?

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Typically the game boards are placed on tables, the only exception so far that I know of was in for the 2011 Kipr Autonomous Aerial Vehicle Contest.
Since the idea is to use an Aerial Vehicle in this competition, I don't know....

-"Can the robot in the small board travel to the other small board?"
Scoring:General
9. Robots that start in the yellow dot target area are allowed to travel anywhere except for the restrictions on red and blue dot target areas on their side of the fence.

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  1. Scoring General
  2. 7. At the start, a team’s robots must be fully within the 24 x15 inch starting box on
  3. their side and/or the yellow dot target area – the virtual height of the starting
  4. areas is 15”.
Conflicts with
  1. Game Board Layout
  2. * The base of each starting box is defined by the boundaries given by the interior edge of the PVC and tape delineating it.
  3. * (38cm by 38cm or 15" by 15")
  4. * The height of the smaller starting box is 38cm (15)
  5. * The height of the larger starting box is 30.5cm (12")

As defined in "Scoring Areas"

  1. * Your side: the 4 x 8 foot area on your side of the fence that is bounded by 1 inch PVC. Your side does not include any of the three target areas.
Along with
  1. Scoring General
  2. 12. Teams may place their ping pong balls anywhere they wish on their side of the
  3. fence before the game starts (including on their robot(s)). The location is
  4. decided by the team.
Can the ping pong balls be placed in the Yellow Dot area on the robot?

From "Advice for Tournament Participants"

  1. Does the starting sequence work with very bright overhead lights?
  2. (tournament tables will have bright lights hung about five feet above the
  3. tables)
I guess this ties in the previous question/comment about using actual "tables" (I take "game table" to be synonymous with "game board" and "tournament table")
With the fence being 4 foot high + the top board that would burn up BotGuy :-P
Also the Wild Zone being at least 10 foot high [Scoring Areas] it doesn't quite make sense for this board.

Where are the opposing ping pong balls for Seeding Rounds?

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Robot construction rule #11 states:

"Team entries may NOT contain parts that may reasonably be confused with game pieces (entries may not contain mirrors, lights, colored objects, or tape designed to confuse an opponent)."

If we have a colored part on our robot which is designed NOT to confuse an opponent robot, but instead to allow one of our robots to track another of our robots, is this permitted? If so, what restrictions are present on such colored parts? In particular, may we use a red/yellow/blue part so long as there is no green/pink surrounding it? (A competently programmed opponent will not mistake this for a game object since it would be looking for a green/pink border.)

Thanks!

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Robot construction rule #7 states:

"A team’s entry may not contain features (manipulators, protrusions or materials) that are designed to, or are deemed by the judges likely to, cause jamming or entanglement of a reasonably constructed opponent robot. Blocking and containing of opponent robots is allowed; strategies likely to entangle or damage opponents or the board or game pieces are not allowed."

A few questions on this point:

(a) Can you please precisely define "jamming or entanglement" and "blocking and containing", and the difference between them, including examples?
(b) Is dropping a game piece on a robot in an attempt to confuse its navigation system considered "jamming or entanglement"?
(c) We are already aware that reasonably constructed aerial robots (including the AR.Drone) will lock propellers if anything contacts them until the Emergency Reset command is sent. As a consequence, it is not possible to jam or entangle the AR.Drone's propellors. We therefore conclude that if we drop a game piece on an aerial robot in the hopes that its dead-reckoning will become confused, it it not illegal, since the AR.Drone is not being jammed or entangled; it is simply being blocked and contained. Please comment on this.

Thanks!

-Jeremy Rand
Senior Programmer, Team SNARC (2012-2013), Norman Advanced (2010-2011), Norman HS (2008-2009), Norman North (2005-2007), Whittier MS (2003-2004)
2012-2013 VP of Tech, 2011 President, Botball YAC (2009-2013)
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If we push another team's robot into the vertical projection of their red or blue target, are they disqualified as if they had intentionally driven into it?

Thanks!

-Jeremy Rand
Senior Programmer, Team SNARC (2012-2013), Norman Advanced (2010-2011), Norman HS (2008-2009), Norman North (2005-2007), Whittier MS (2003-2004)
2012-2013 VP of Tech, 2011 President, Botball YAC (2009-2013)
Mentor, Alcott and Whittier MS