2017 KIPR Open FAQ

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The 2017 KIPR Open FAQ

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According to the rules, the out of bounds area includes the surface under the greens.
This confuses me, because one would think that balls going in the hole would fall to the surface under the green.

Two questions, then:

1. Do the holes go all the way through the carpet and fiberboard?
2. If yes, do balls that end up under the green count as being in the hole regardless of how they came to be there?

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Answer to question:
According to the rules, the out of bounds area includes the surface under the greens.
This confuses me, because one would think that balls going in the hole would fall to the surface under the green.

Two questions, then:

1. Do the holes go all the way through the carpet and fiberboard?
Yes
2. If yes, do balls that end up under the green count as being in the hole regardless of how they came to be there?
A ball under the green scores if it is in a containment placed under the hole; otherwise it is out of bounds. The containment will be high enough to prevent a ball in the hole from getting into another area under the green.

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Will the fiberboard with the carpet on it be attached to the bunkers or the clipboard or will we be able to lift it up?

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Question: Will the fiberboard with the carpet on it be attached to the bunkers or the clipboard or will we be able to lift it up?

A. The clipboard (or equivalent backboard to eliminate the clip) will be attached to the post to allow for "bank shots" . The carpet will be glued to the fiberboard. The fiberboard will be removable for the purpose of retrieving balls underneath, but will be attached (probably by velcro) to stabilize the green.

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As a follow up where exactly will the fiberboard be attached and how will it be attached? If there is a picture of this that would be fantastic.

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Q: As a follow up where exactly will the fiberboard be attached and how will it be attached? If there is a picture of this that would be fantastic.
A: 1. The backboard will be attached to the post and will be centered on the hole (not centered on the the post and attached to the post to be as near vertical as possible. It will rest on the surface of the table as pictured.
2. The fiberboard backing the green will be elevated on approximately 4" blocks to allow the lip of each of the 4 bunkers (which by manufacturer spec are approx. 4" high) to just fit under the fiberboard. A bin similar to the bunkers will be underneath the hole (distinguishes a ball in the hole vs. a ball that somehow got under the green by some other means). The bins will be attached to the table using velcro, which shouldn't elevate the green because the bottom of the bins are slightly indented. The blocks will be taped to the table, where velcro will be used on top of each block to hold the green in place. Block height will be adjusted for any height gain from the velcro. The green will butt against the back board at an approximate 90 degree angle. Block placement will be a construction day decision to ensure green stability (there's nothing gained from getting under the green anyway). Sorry, there isn't a picture of this, but hopefully that addresses your question.

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Is there a cad model of the board that we can use? If there is a cad model of the regular botball board that would work just as well. And thank you for responding to our previous questions

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Q. Is there a cad model of the board that we can use? If there is a cad model of the regular botball board that would work just as well. And thank you for responding to our previous questions
A. The basic CAD drawing is the same as the one for 2017 Botball: http://files.kipr.org/kipropen/2017_KO_Table_Construction.PDF
The Botball board has been modified as follows:
1) The ball dispenser will be a slightly larger version of the Botball version used for poms, since otherwise balls will stick in the dispenser
2) A slightly elevated green with bunkers and a hole in will be installed on each side over what is called the "field" for the Botball game.
3) The blue cups in the center will each have a piece of the green carpet in the bottom to reduce the likelihood of a bounce out.
4) Each start box will include a (optional) piece of green carpet to serve as a tee - teams may substitute their own tee as specified in the rules.

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Just checking some rules...
The ball tee (4 inch green carpet piece) can lay on a board that is no thicker than 1/2 inch and is itself sitting on the tee - yes or no?
A team member can pick a ball from the tee bucket and place it on the driver bot, but not necessarily on the ball tee - yes or no?
The driver bot can autonomously place a ball on the ball tee if a ball is placed somewhere on the driver bot - yes or no?

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